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28-06-2010 11:00:15 < hicham!~hicham@fedora/hicham: what is on the agenda ?
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28-06-2010 11:05:32 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: hicham: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-June/091736.html
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28-06-2010 11:05:38 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
28-06-2010 11:05:38 < zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot: Meeting started Mon Jun 28 14:59:56 2010 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
28-06-2010 11:05:38 < zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot: Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
28-06-2010 11:05:38 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to:  (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)
28-06-2010 11:05:41 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #meetingname fedora-qa
28-06-2010 11:05:41 < zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot: The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
28-06-2010 11:05:44 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #chair kparal
28-06-2010 11:05:44 < zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot: Current chairs: jlaska kparal
28-06-2010 11:05:52 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #topic Gathering critical mass
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28-06-2010 11:06:02 < * jskladan!~jskladan@nat/redhat/x-tmalbecrjcnxhgwh steps out of the shadows :)
28-06-2010 11:06:20 < * kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne looks around
28-06-2010 11:06:37 < * wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv puts down his beer^Wcoffee
28-06-2010 11:06:40 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: jskladan: kparal: greetings
28-06-2010 11:06:44 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: wwoods: it's noon somewhere :)
28-06-2010 11:06:47 < hicham!~hicham@fedora/hicham: i d highly suggest to add the eds mess
28-06-2010 11:06:53 < hicham!~hicham@fedora/hicham: to the agenda
28-06-2010 11:06:54 < * Viking-Ice!~johannbg@valhalla.rhi.hi.is stands since there are no chairs left! 
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28-06-2010 11:07:01 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: hicham: why, exactly, is that a QA problem?
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28-06-2010 11:07:27 < hicham!~hicham@fedora/hicham: wwoods: i think it is qa problem, since updates are now broken
28-06-2010 11:07:29 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: hicham: you're welcome to bring up any QA suggestions related to that build during open discussion
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28-06-2010 11:07:55 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: hicham: yes, but we already have plans for tests in place to keep that sort of thing from happening
28-06-2010 11:08:17 < hicham!~hicham@fedora/hicham: wwoods: ah ok, thanks
28-06-2010 11:08:19 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: in the meantime it's still up to developers to *not* mess up the deps in the repos
28-06-2010 11:08:30 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: and they keep doing it
28-06-2010 11:08:35 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: this does not change our plans any
28-06-2010 11:08:44 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: nor is it our fault that it keeps happening
28-06-2010 11:08:45 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: morningalydoodly
28-06-2010 11:08:48 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: hicham: for offline reading enjoyment ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan
28-06-2010 11:08:51 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: adamw: welcome
28-06-2010 11:08:55 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: Viking-Ice: lurking?
28-06-2010 11:09:04 < Viking-Ice!~johannbg@valhalla.rhi.hi.is: Yup
28-06-2010 11:09:07 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: hey there
28-06-2010 11:09:29 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: alrighty, let's get movin'
28-06-2010 11:09:39 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: I completely understand the frustration though
28-06-2010 11:09:52 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: I'm going to breeze through the follow-up items ... I've got details on most of them ...
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28-06-2010 11:10:00 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #topic Previous meeting follow-up
28-06-2010 11:10:00 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: Previous meeting follow-up (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)
28-06-2010 11:10:06 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #info adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future
28-06-2010 11:10:11 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000703.html
28-06-2010 11:10:26 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: next up ...
28-06-2010 11:10:46 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: wwoods: you were out last week, so surprise, I added an agenda item for you!
28-06-2010 11:10:54 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: haa
28-06-2010 11:10:56 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: queue the balloons and streamers
28-06-2010 11:11:07 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: hooray! lucky winner!
28-06-2010 11:11:10 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: wwoods: dunno if you have any updates, since this might be the first you saw of it ...
28-06-2010 11:11:15 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #info wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper 'depcheck' coverage
28-06-2010 11:11:40 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: I don't recall the explanation of the exact dep problem
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28-06-2010 11:12:11 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: wwoods: we can follow-up on autoqa-devel list ... checkout the description adamw sent (see previous #link)
28-06-2010 11:12:22 < * skvidal!~skvidal@sethost.sethdot.org recalls
28-06-2010 11:12:29 < * adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw re-assigned all his work to wwoods and went golfing
28-06-2010 11:12:31 < skvidal!~skvidal@sethost.sethdot.org: the nss-softokn thing was just a multilib issue iirc
28-06-2010 11:12:32 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: check your to-do list
28-06-2010 11:12:47 < hicham!~hicham@fedora/hicham: x86_64 version was older than i686 one
28-06-2010 11:12:49 < skvidal!~skvidal@sethost.sethdot.org: ie: the lib didn't get auto pulled in as multlib by mash for the update
28-06-2010 11:12:55 < skvidal!~skvidal@sethost.sethdot.org: but it did get pulled in for the GA
28-06-2010 11:13:00 < skvidal!~skvidal@sethost.sethdot.org: hicham: right
28-06-2010 11:13:00 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: I think the only action here is to review whether this is something depcheck would have captured
28-06-2010 11:13:02 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: skvidal: as jlaska says i already sent a description to autoqa-devel list
28-06-2010 11:13:08 < skvidal!~skvidal@sethost.sethdot.org: adamw: sorry
28-06-2010 11:13:11 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: npnp :)
28-06-2010 11:13:29 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: wwoods: okay taking this to the list?
28-06-2010 11:13:35 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: yeah, that's fine
28-06-2010 11:13:37 < * jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr has Michael McDonald in his head now
28-06-2010 11:13:42 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: wwoods: thx
28-06-2010 11:13:50 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: next up ...
28-06-2010 11:13:52 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #info Viking-Ice will start 'how to debug systemd problems' guide and send to list for review
28-06-2010 11:13:58 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: quick summary: we'll want to write test case for that situation - and all the other common "your repos asplode" problems
28-06-2010 11:14:10 < Viking-Ice!~johannbg@valhalla.rhi.hi.is: yup have started to work on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd#Quick_Debugging_Tips
28-06-2010 11:14:14 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: Viking-Ice: I see you've already got quite a bit of content
28-06-2010 11:14:22 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd#Quick_Debugging_Tips
28-06-2010 11:14:29 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Crap, was in the head too long
28-06-2010 11:14:50 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: jskladan: welcome :)
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28-06-2010 11:15:22 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: Viking-Ice: very nice ... anything you want to follow-up with next week ... or should we stay tuned to test@ mailing list
28-06-2010 11:15:31 < Viking-Ice!~johannbg@valhalla.rhi.hi.is: We hit a bit of snag at work this last week so the work got a bit halted + I still have not contacted Lennart about several things.
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28-06-2010 11:15:45 < Viking-Ice!~johannbg@valhalla.rhi.hi.is: I will post the page for the list for review once I'm done
28-06-2010 11:15:57 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: Viking-Ice: awesome, thanks again for tackling this
28-06-2010 11:16:08 < Viking-Ice!~johannbg@valhalla.rhi.hi.is: has releng got any plans on when we will switch to use systemd by default
28-06-2010 11:16:10 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: up next ...
28-06-2010 11:16:13 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #info robatino to ask infrastructure team to archive previous RCs/TCs
28-06-2010 11:16:19 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #link http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2241
28-06-2010 11:17:05 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: I haven't seen any updates on this yet, we may wish to reach out to infrastructure@ list also
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28-06-2010 11:17:13 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: next ...
28-06-2010 11:17:15 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #info jlaska to review F14 test day wiki content
28-06-2010 11:17:34 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: Nothing earth shattering here, just priming the wiki content for F14 test days
28-06-2010 11:17:37 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_14_test_days
28-06-2010 11:17:52 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: If anyone has ideas or suggestions, feel free to write them down on the talk page -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:QA/Fedora_14_test_days
28-06-2010 11:18:04 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: next ...
28-06-2010 11:18:07 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #info jlaska to create a ticket about possible enhancement/new test case for ABI stability check
28-06-2010 11:18:12 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #link http://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/190
28-06-2010 11:18:27 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: that's been queued up for the copious spare time we all have lurking just around the corner!
28-06-2010 11:18:37 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: and last ...
28-06-2010 11:18:40 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #info jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
28-06-2010 11:18:56 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: I looked at this briefly, but don't have any new content to offer yet
28-06-2010 11:19:09 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: this should only take a minute or two though ... will knock this out for next week
28-06-2010 11:19:15 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #action jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
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28-06-2010 11:19:39 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: okay ... time for the main event
28-06-2010 11:19:44 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #topic Fedora 14 QA Recommendations
28-06-2010 11:19:44 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora 14 QA Recommendations (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)
28-06-2010 11:20:01 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: You're probably getting tire of me saying it by now P)
28-06-2010 11:20:16 < * Oxf13!~jkeating@fedora/ender peeks in
28-06-2010 11:20:27 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: Oxf13: howdy
28-06-2010 11:20:40 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: so I'm just about done with filing tickets for the recommendations wiki
28-06-2010 11:20:48 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations
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28-06-2010 11:20:57 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: An idea: get various small technical and comunity colleges to help with testing
28-06-2010 11:21:02 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: there are a few more that I've not yet filed ... but the bulk is complete
28-06-2010 11:21:06 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: i guess we should make sure all the tickets are assigned appropriately?
28-06-2010 11:21:25 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: adamw: yup, I'm going to take this off the list ... and the next step is we get to work the queue
28-06-2010 11:21:33 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: j_dulaney: there's an open floor section at the end of the meeting, can you raise it there? thanks. just keeps things on track =)
28-06-2010 11:21:48 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #info Next step, start to work the ticket queue ... https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/milestone/Fedora%2014
28-06-2010 11:21:58 < Oxf13!~jkeating@fedora/ender: A little late, but due to some internal communication, I want to ask this group if they thought a Fedora Knowledge Base would be useful to your efforts?
28-06-2010 11:22:07 < Oxf13!~jkeating@fedora/ender: as a recommendation for future Fedora releases.
28-06-2010 11:22:22 < * jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr adds to open-floor ideas
28-06-2010 11:23:05 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: last point here ... if there is something you were itching to work on for Fedora 14 QA ... and there isn't a ticket
28-06-2010 11:23:29 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: not to worry :)  Just file a ticket and start workin'
28-06-2010 11:23:43 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: Oxf13: btw ... I think that was down as a wishlist topic ... checking ...
28-06-2010 11:23:49 < Oxf13!~jkeating@fedora/ender: ok
28-06-2010 11:24:20 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: Oxf13: same general idea ... "jlaska - Pony - some web tool to help collaborative problem debugging. Similar to http://answers.yahoo.com/ perhaps? "
28-06-2010 11:24:32 < Oxf13!~jkeating@fedora/ender: k
28-06-2010 11:24:34 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: definitely filed under my pony category :)
28-06-2010 11:24:50 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: but "knowledge base" might be a more appropriate title
28-06-2010 11:25:06 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: okay ... any other comments on the retrospective or recommendations?
28-06-2010 11:25:18 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: I'm not planning on including this topic in future meetings
28-06-2010 11:25:21 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: nup, just good job, thanks :)
28-06-2010 11:25:54 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: thanks all for the feedback, I hope I captured a manageable set of tasks for us on F14
28-06-2010 11:26:19 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #topic Proventester update
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28-06-2010 11:26:35 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: adamw: I have this as a running meeting topic, but I don't know if there are any updates this week
28-06-2010 11:26:52 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: nothing much has happened. really we're waiting on bodhi now.
28-06-2010 11:27:11 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: the only thing i considered is adding some instructions for mentors as well as instructions for testers.
28-06-2010 11:27:26 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: adamw: nice, so that means the proventester instructions dafrito and you worked on are complete?
28-06-2010 11:27:27 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: It seems the Wiki entry could be cleaned up a bit
28-06-2010 11:27:29 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: i suppose it's worth nothing that the eds debacle gives a very clear indication of the need for this testing =)
28-06-2010 11:27:33 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester
28-06-2010 11:27:36 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Or I should say, made clearer
28-06-2010 11:27:40 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: jlaska: well, i can't see any way to improve them
28-06-2010 11:27:51 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: j_dulaney: which wiki entry, and what do you suggest could be improved?
28-06-2010 11:27:54 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: adamw: nice, I call that complete! :D
28-06-2010 11:28:04 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: jlaska: either that or i suck, yep =)
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28-06-2010 11:28:08 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: adamw: preoventester
28-06-2010 11:28:22 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: the page jlaska just linked to?
28-06-2010 11:28:51 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Indeed
28-06-2010 11:29:17 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: what do you suggest changing?
28-06-2010 11:30:15 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: I'm thinking a little more on the mentoring and approval process
28-06-2010 11:31:08 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: j_dulaney: ah, I think something adamw mentioned he might like to see.  We'd welcome any content to get things started
28-06-2010 11:31:12 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: note that there is also the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/JoinProvenTesters page
28-06-2010 11:31:27 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: we should probably clean up the naming of both pages to be more co-operative
28-06-2010 11:31:33 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Indeed.  I seem to have missed that
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28-06-2010 11:31:43 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Maybe combine them?
28-06-2010 11:32:14 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: possibly
28-06-2010 11:32:33 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: The joinproventesters seems rather short to have its own entry
28-06-2010 11:32:39 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: we can basically choose to have one big 'everything about proven testers' page, or probably three separate pages for process, joining, mentoring
28-06-2010 11:33:09 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: one page is a nice simple concept, i just would want to make sure it doesn't get too long and hard to follow
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28-06-2010 11:33:20 < * adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw 's sworn enemy is the eye-glaze effect ;)
28-06-2010 11:33:26 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: I know that enemy
28-06-2010 11:33:33 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: otherwise known as tl;dr
28-06-2010 11:33:41 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: That's why I tend to print :)
28-06-2010 11:33:48 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: (took me years to figure out what that meant)
28-06-2010 11:34:30 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Read through long bits of code, much?
28-06-2010 11:34:33 < Oxf13!~jkeating@fedora/ender: this is where you really wish for "collapsable" sections in mediawiki
28-06-2010 11:35:09 < Oxf13!~jkeating@fedora/ender: collapse all the sections by default except for the common top section, then expand the sub-sections as desired, for each of joining / mentoring
28-06-2010 11:35:20 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: yeah, that would be ideal
28-06-2010 11:35:21 < * ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller peeks in
28-06-2010 11:35:25 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: Oxf13: I think rhe found an option that might be available to anyone interested
28-06-2010 11:35:34 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: jlaska: i thought that was tables?
28-06-2010 11:35:35 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: in fact, I think ianweller helped with adding the collapse css
28-06-2010 11:35:49 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: adamw: yeah, but I believe there is similar support for <div>'s too
28-06-2010 11:35:50 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: yeah i added css/javascript for collapsing tables
28-06-2010 11:35:57 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: but I could definitely be *wrong*
28-06-2010 11:36:00 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: rhe would know best
28-06-2010 11:36:06 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: or of course our wiki master ... ianweller
28-06-2010 11:36:20 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: j_dulaney: it's something i try to avoid ;)
28-06-2010 11:36:38 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: but anyway ... adamw j_dulaney: anything you guys want to try on the wiki for next week?
28-06-2010 11:36:53 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: jlaska:  Sure
28-06-2010 11:37:17 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: j_dulaney: if you could make a separate draft of a combined page in your personal space on the wiki and send it to the list for comments that'd be awesome
28-06-2010 11:37:29 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: adamw:  Indeed
28-06-2010 11:37:29 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: i'd like to know what aaron thinks too since he did such an awesome job on the proventesters page
28-06-2010 11:37:40 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: good point!
28-06-2010 11:37:43 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: (aaron = dafrito, not sure if he's around)
28-06-2010 11:38:17 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: grab and #action items you want ... otherwise, I'll keep this #topic on the agenda for our next meeting
28-06-2010 11:39:12 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: #action j_dulaney to draft a combined proventesters / joinproventesters wiki page for list review
28-06-2010 11:39:25 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: ianweller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NavFrame
28-06-2010 11:39:50 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: #grab draft
28-06-2010 11:39:59 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Got it, will do
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28-06-2010 11:40:22 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: jlaska: i saw that, but it's not really making collapsible sections automaticaly
28-06-2010 11:40:25 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: i can't spell today
28-06-2010 11:40:36 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: ianweller: yeah, you're right
28-06-2010 11:40:56 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: ianweller: hey, at least you didn't say automagically
28-06-2010 11:41:01 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: there's a word that makes me want to punch things
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28-06-2010 11:41:07 < * jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr notes :)
28-06-2010 11:41:18 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: okay, thanks adamw and j_dulaney
28-06-2010 11:41:22 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: (and of course dafrito)
28-06-2010 11:41:38 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: next up ...
28-06-2010 11:41:38 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: the dude that taught me to program did things magically
28-06-2010 11:41:58 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: unless his name was otto, you're good
28-06-2010 11:42:03 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: kparal: I just joined this other meeting, do you mind taking the #chair from here?
28-06-2010 11:42:06 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: (thank you, thank you, i'm here all week)
28-06-2010 11:42:12 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: tip your waiter
28-06-2010 11:42:13 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: jlaska: sure
28-06-2010 11:42:30 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Wish I could afford to go somewhere with a waiter
28-06-2010 11:42:36 < * kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne looking for agenda
28-06-2010 11:42:44 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: kparal: I asked wwoods to drive the autoqa update for today
28-06-2010 11:42:47 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: hey, denny's has waiters. technically.
28-06-2010 11:43:13 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: so, we can hop on the AutoQA, right?
28-06-2010 11:43:22 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: kparal: yeah, that's next
28-06-2010 11:43:27 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic AutoQA update
28-06-2010 11:43:28 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: AutoQA update (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)
28-06-2010 11:43:35 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: wwoods: you have the mic!
28-06-2010 11:43:49 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: HELLO FEDORA QA
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28-06-2010 11:43:52 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: ARE YOU READY TO ROOOOOOCK
28-06-2010 11:43:58 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: ahem sorry.
28-06-2010 11:44:02 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: *applaud
28-06-2010 11:44:04 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: I've already got some Godsmack going
28-06-2010 11:44:07 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: haha
28-06-2010 11:44:09 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
28-06-2010 11:44:15 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: so last week we (finally) got the post-bodhi-update hook merged
28-06-2010 11:44:15 < chenrano2002!~ray@211.161.97.181: gogogogo
28-06-2010 11:44:23 < * adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw jumps on someone's head
28-06-2010 11:44:45 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: yay
28-06-2010 11:44:47 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: welcome chenrano2002!
28-06-2010 11:44:50 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: we're working on a new 'helloworld' test to make sure the bodhi-watcher and autoqa hook are working properly
28-06-2010 11:44:56 < chenrano2002!~ray@211.161.97.181: yes, I'm here:)
28-06-2010 11:45:16 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: in what language?
28-06-2010 11:45:22 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #info post-bodhi-update hook is merged
28-06-2010 11:45:27 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: the target is, of course, the 'depcheck' test
28-06-2010 11:45:39 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: which should check all new proposed updates for dependency breakage
28-06-2010 11:45:44 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #info 'helloworld' test is a new big task now ;)
28-06-2010 11:45:56 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: and refuse to let rel-eng move packages that might break the repos
28-06-2010 11:46:09 < chenrano2002!~ray@211.161.97.181: helloworld is really needed for newbie, I hope to see it
28-06-2010 11:46:12 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: *fanfare*
28-06-2010 11:46:14 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: but that's a complex test that will require help from infrastructure/releng to set up properly
28-06-2010 11:46:43 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Where can I go to read up on autoqa?
28-06-2010 11:46:44 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: so the helloworld test (written in python, like all the autoqa stuff) is what we'll use to test out the new hook.
28-06-2010 11:47:06 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ is where the code lives
28-06-2010 11:47:12 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Roger
28-06-2010 11:47:13 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA is where the wiki docs are
28-06-2010 11:47:43 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: ok, thanks wwoods
28-06-2010 11:47:55 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: anything else from your end?
28-06-2010 11:47:59 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: wwoods: what can I help with to complete that helloworld?
28-06-2010 11:48:09 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: I think you and kparal had some run_once() suggestions ... just combine those and test?
28-06-2010 11:48:16 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: there's more autoqa stuff going on, but I think kparal & jskladan will have more to say about that
28-06-2010 11:48:20 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: jlaska: I believe so
28-06-2010 11:48:44 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: jlaska: yeah - go for the quick-n-dirty-and-simple test and just dump locals()
28-06-2010 11:48:52 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: kparal: wwoods: (helloworld) ... okay thanks, I'll update the ticket
28-06-2010 11:49:04 < * Viking-Ice!~johannbg@valhalla.rhi.hi.is starts Moshing. . . .
28-06-2010 11:49:15 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: in the next week or two we might have a discussion about standardizing hook argument names, or tweaking the convention for passing hook args
28-06-2010 11:49:28 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: but don't let that stop you from getting helloworld working now.
28-06-2010 11:49:32 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic AutoQA update - resultdb
28-06-2010 11:49:32 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: AutoQA update - resultdb (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)
28-06-2010 11:49:33 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: at first, helloworld will just work with post-bodhi-update?
28-06-2010 11:49:37 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: er
28-06-2010 11:49:48 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic AutoQA update
28-06-2010 11:49:48 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: AutoQA update (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)
28-06-2010 11:49:49 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: kparal: sorry ... keep going, I'll follow-up with you guys on fedora-qa after
28-06-2010 11:49:57 < * kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne misclicked
28-06-2010 11:50:32 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #info standardization of hook argument names will be discussed soon
28-06-2010 11:50:36 < chenrano2002!~ray@211.161.97.181: kaparal can't wait to share his idea:)
28-06-2010 11:50:52 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: jlaska: I believe helloworld should work for any hook
28-06-2010 11:51:08 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: it will be just a generic test that will print out incoming arguments
28-06-2010 11:51:13 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: that's all
28-06-2010 11:51:18 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: and reports success :)
28-06-2010 11:51:23 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: kparal: right, just didn't know how far you guys wanted me to go with this
28-06-2010 11:51:43 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: but I'll hold off the standardization of hook args for later
28-06-2010 11:51:43 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: No pretty stuff on screen?
28-06-2010 11:52:07 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: maybe it could draw a pony
28-06-2010 11:52:13 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: YAY
28-06-2010 11:52:15 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: alright, ready for jskladan's update?
28-06-2010 11:52:35 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic AutoQA update - resultdb
28-06-2010 11:52:35 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: AutoQA update - resultdb (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)
28-06-2010 11:52:39 < jskladan!~jskladan@nat/redhat/x-tmalbecrjcnxhgwh: well, updates on the ResultsDB front - i have a testing instance up'n'running on one of our machines (kudos to jlaska & infrastracture team), i already rewrote initscripts & rpmlint tests (see jskladan branch in autoqa git) so they store the data inside. I'll finish the other tests during this week and will set up the testing autotest-server instance so it runs these tests :)
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28-06-2010 11:52:59 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: sounds nice!
28-06-2010 11:53:11 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #info resultdb running on our staging server
28-06-2010 11:53:13 < jskladan!~jskladan@nat/redhat/x-tmalbecrjcnxhgwh: so stay tuned for the magical tool being filled with data :)
28-06-2010 11:53:38 < jskladan!~jskladan@nat/redhat/x-tmalbecrjcnxhgwh: and once there is some reasonable specimen
28-06-2010 11:53:48 < jskladan!~jskladan@nat/redhat/x-tmalbecrjcnxhgwh: we can start working on some frontends
28-06-2010 11:54:04 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: is it magical and revolutionary?
28-06-2010 11:54:21 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: adamw: you bet
28-06-2010 11:54:40 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Can it make a cheesesteak appear in front of me?
28-06-2010 11:54:43 < jskladan!~jskladan@nat/redhat/x-tmalbecrjcnxhgwh: so that's about it on the resultsDB for now :)
28-06-2010 11:54:50 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: ok, thanks jskladan
28-06-2010 11:55:03 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic AutoQA update - autotest labels
28-06-2010 11:55:03 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: AutoQA update - autotest labels (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)
28-06-2010 11:55:16 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: and now for something different
28-06-2010 11:55:20 < jskladan!~jskladan@nat/redhat/x-tmalbecrjcnxhgwh: j_dulaney: only if you can pronounce the mighty words of power :))
28-06-2010 11:55:47 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: I have created 'labels' branch that contains patched autoqa that can use autotest labels properly
28-06-2010 11:55:51 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: at least I hope so
28-06-2010 11:55:55 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: jskladan: I know not this heavy wizardry, yet
28-06-2010 11:55:57 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: announcement here
28-06-2010 11:55:57 -!- dwmw2_ is now known as dwmw2_gone
28-06-2010 11:55:59 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000742.html
28-06-2010 11:56:20 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: we should now be able to specify "this test must run on Fedora 12", even dynamically
28-06-2010 11:56:26 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: hooray!
28-06-2010 11:56:30 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: shiny!
28-06-2010 11:56:42 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: that was a big missing piece for a while, this is totally awesome
28-06-2010 11:57:00 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: and we're now discussing best names for our labels:
28-06-2010 11:57:02 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000740.html
28-06-2010 11:57:18 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: does it just look for an existing machine that matches the labels, or can we actually spin up VMs as needed?
28-06-2010 11:57:46 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: wwoods: it doesn't check for anything, it just schedules the job and atest takes care of the rest
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28-06-2010 11:58:02 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: if there is no machine matching that label, I guess it stays scheduled indefinitely
28-06-2010 11:58:25 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: there are certainly areas for improvement :)
28-06-2010 11:58:36 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: I still have to test is properly
28-06-2010 11:58:49 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: So, how would I go about getting my machines talking to it all?
28-06-2010 11:59:29 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #info autotest labels can now be used when patched autoqa from 'labels' branch is used
28-06-2010 11:59:33 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: j_dulaney: at this point, you don't. Although you can certainly run the tests at home if you like
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28-06-2010 12:00:12 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: I'm also working on a script that will ease VM installation for us, that's a second thing. I want to use it for my 'labels' testing
28-06-2010 12:00:19 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: alright, that's from me
28-06-2010 12:00:21 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: and you can set up your own autoqa server also. since, y'know, we're showing it's so damn easy ;)
28-06-2010 12:00:27 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: woods: right
28-06-2010 12:00:43 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic Open discussion <your topic here>
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28-06-2010 12:00:52 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: now type your ideas
28-06-2010 12:01:09 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: we've had two mentioned earlier already
28-06-2010 12:01:13 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: i believe j_dulaney was first
28-06-2010 12:01:23 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: ok, what was the name of the idea?
28-06-2010 12:01:27 < * kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne scrolls back
28-06-2010 12:02:02 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: j_dulaney: An idea: get various small technical and comunity colleges to help with testing
28-06-2010 12:02:21 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic Open discussion - colleges to help testing
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28-06-2010 12:02:22 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: I was thinking of getting IT type classes at said colleges to do some of the testing for us
28-06-2010 12:02:31 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: we've actually had one case of that already
28-06-2010 12:02:52 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: j_dulaney: so what do you suggest should be done and how can you help? :)
28-06-2010 12:03:30 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: vedran miletic teaches classes at a university, and he integrates Bugzappers into that; we've helped him out with having his students do some triage work a couple of times
28-06-2010 12:03:34 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: it is a neat system
28-06-2010 12:03:37 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: is there a school you're in touch with where you could start such a program?
28-06-2010 12:03:58 < wwoods!~wwoods@nat/redhat/x-okievagplqzqkcnv: oh cool so there's some documented prior work on how to do this stuff?
28-06-2010 12:04:27 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: at the local community college, I know the instructer that teaches the appropriate class
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28-06-2010 12:04:54 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: I can't think of what said class is called at the moment, massive brain fart here
28-06-2010 12:05:22 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Anyway, I'm sure he'd be happy to have his students try to break applications once in a while.
28-06-2010 12:05:37 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: well for sure ask if the instructor's interested, and point to the QA/Join page for ideas - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join
28-06-2010 12:05:45 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Roger that
28-06-2010 12:05:46 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: if they'd like to try any of that stuff we can certainly arrange to help them out
28-06-2010 12:06:34 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: I could also do the same thing at the local high school when class starts back up this fall
28-06-2010 12:06:35 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: ok, if you have some contacts, try to lure them to us, sounds good :)
28-06-2010 12:06:46 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: yup
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28-06-2010 12:06:58 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: ok, thanks
28-06-2010 12:07:02 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: what was the other idea?
28-06-2010 12:07:35 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic Open discussion <your topic here>
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28-06-2010 12:07:41 < * jraber!~jeff@208-42-194-235.clec.stat.centurytel.net wonders if anyone has heard an update regarding bug 552423  It is a COMMONBUG, but the last time I checked it was the only COMMONBUG with no workaround or planned fix
28-06-2010 12:08:01 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: .bug 552423
28-06-2010 12:08:03 < zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot: kparal: Bug 552423 [abrt] crash in gnome-panel (/usr/libexec/wnck-applet @ wncklet_connect_while_alive / wncklet.c:183) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552423
28-06-2010 12:08:18 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: kparal: it was from oxf13 regarding a knowledge base
28-06-2010 12:09:09 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic Open discussion - Knowledge base
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28-06-2010 12:09:46 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: personally i hate the damn things, like i hate any large aggregation of likely-to-change-rapidly information without good mechanisms for staying up to date...
28-06-2010 12:09:53 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: ok, so tell me what's the difference between knowledge base and a wiki? :)
28-06-2010 12:10:13 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Microsoft's sucks
28-06-2010 12:10:21 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: Indeed, it is often useless
28-06-2010 12:10:35 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: a well organized wiki is more granular and hence tends to have a better 'ownership' stake
28-06-2010 12:10:51 < chenrano2002!~ray@211.161.97.181: newers need docs, so is it possible to convert/public useful wiki to PDF format for reading locally?
28-06-2010 12:11:04 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: in a good wiki, some person/people or group is clearly the owner of a given page and should update it
28-06-2010 12:11:05 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: what would be the benefit of a knowledge base for us then?
28-06-2010 12:11:11 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: yeah, i'm struggling
28-06-2010 12:11:15 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: Oxf13: is there any more detail on the idea?
28-06-2010 12:11:29 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: what's the proposed format/content of the knowledge base? how is it differentiated from the wiki? how would it be written/maintained?
28-06-2010 12:11:56 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: thanks for formulating those questions, adamw
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28-06-2010 12:12:57 < * kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne gives jlaska the throne back
28-06-2010 12:13:05 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: I myself rather enjoy the idea of PDFs for basic stuff, but then one can just save the Wiki page
28-06-2010 12:13:07 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: kparal: no sir ... take us to the end :)
28-06-2010 12:13:25 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: don't want to distrupt the flow as much as I already have
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28-06-2010 12:13:50 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: we're just struggling with finding differences between knowledge base and wiki
28-06-2010 12:14:15 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: I don't know if there was anything actionable with this topic
28-06-2010 12:14:18 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: alright, seems Oxf13 is away, we can discuss it next time
28-06-2010 12:14:30 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: sure
28-06-2010 12:14:30 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic Open discussion <your topic here>
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28-06-2010 12:14:48 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: anything else anyone?
28-06-2010 12:14:50 < Oxf13!~jkeating@fedora/ender: sorry I was on another call.
28-06-2010 12:14:54 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: ah
28-06-2010 12:15:32 < Oxf13!~jkeating@fedora/ender: adamw: basically the idea of having a Fedora KB has been kicked around by a couple people, and before we put any resources into it, we have to make sure there will be somebody to consume/contribute to it, so that it'll be useful use of our resources.
28-06-2010 12:15:47 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic Open discussion - Knowledge base
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28-06-2010 12:15:53 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: are there answers to the above question?
28-06-2010 12:15:57 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: questions*
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28-06-2010 12:16:29 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: adamw: nothing here ... let's come back to this when there is something more tangible
28-06-2010 12:16:45 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: I think it could be a compelling discussion ... if there is a proposal or existing solution etc.. ??
28-06-2010 12:16:45 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #topic Open discussion <your topic here>
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28-06-2010 12:16:55 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: my $0.02 at least
28-06-2010 12:17:03 < jraber!~jeff@208-42-194-235.clec.stat.centurytel.net: regarding bug 552423, if nobody has an update, should I ping the maintainer? (should I save this for the bugzappers meeting tomorrow?)
28-06-2010 12:17:13 < adamw!~adamw@redhat/adamw: if the idea is just 'something called a knowledge base' then i'd say, no, on the surface it seems to be just a duplication of the wiki and i can't see any added value. but we need more detail to provide sensible feedback.
28-06-2010 12:17:21 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: jraber: please raise this question in #fedora-qa channel
28-06-2010 12:17:27 < jlaska!~jlaska@nat/redhat/x-tkldjlvavqkrobvr: adamw: yup
28-06-2010 12:18:09 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: alright, let's wait a minute and then close this meeting if noone objects
28-06-2010 12:18:54 < j_dulaney!~j_dulaney@nc-69-34-147-8.dhcp.embarqhsd.net: I can think of nothing else
28-06-2010 12:18:59 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: thanks all for attending
28-06-2010 12:19:04 < kparal!~kparal@nat/redhat/x-ymwvbjtkqmlelzne: #endmeeting
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28-06-2010 14:36:23 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: sparti ?
28-06-2010 14:36:52 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: lut
28-06-2010 14:37:03 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: #startmeeting Fedora-Fr
28-06-2010 14:37:11 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: wé, pas de zodbot \o/
28-06-2010 14:37:18 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: j'ai la langue toute bizard a force de coller des timbre et des enveloppes
28-06-2010 14:37:22 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: #meetingname Fedora-Fr
28-06-2010 14:37:28 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: oups ca va etre dans le logue ?
28-06-2010 14:37:32 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: ;-)
28-06-2010 14:37:44 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: non, on va faire un peu de magie ;)
28-06-2010 14:37:49 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/R%C3%A9unions_hebdomadaires_de_la_French_team l'ordre du jour
28-06-2010 14:38:02 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: un petit tour des présents ?
28-06-2010 14:38:04 < * shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr fais pas la secrétaire
28-06-2010 14:38:24 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: kevin raymond
28-06-2010 14:38:31 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: Mathieu Bridon
28-06-2010 14:38:46 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: .fas llaumgui
28-06-2010 14:38:55 < Pikachu_2014!~Pikachu_2@85-169-119-74.rev.numericable.fr: Mohamed Elmorabity
28-06-2010 14:39:28 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: ah ..euh julien bonnefemne
28-06-2010 14:39:50 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: allez, on est pas nombreux, ça va aller vite
28-06-2010 14:39:55 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: #topic Association Fedora-fr
28-06-2010 14:40:30 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: #info une partie des goodies est maintenant à Lyon, chez François
28-06-2010 14:40:39 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: !
28-06-2010 14:40:45 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: donc pour vos events, adressez-vous soit à lui soit à moi, selon le plus près
28-06-2010 14:40:46 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: > llaumgui
28-06-2010 14:41:19 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: oui, c dommage que DaMrTom soit pas là car il a posté sur la liste du CA que le FP n'avais pas encore fait de virement à l'asso
28-06-2010 14:41:20 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: EOF
28-06-2010 14:41:40 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: ah oui
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28-06-2010 14:42:17 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: il devait d'ailleurs contacter max... on verra :)
28-06-2010 14:42:29 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: eseyman, FYI: topic = Asso
28-06-2010 14:42:53 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: autre chose sur l'asso ?
28-06-2010 14:42:54 < nchauvet!~nchauvet@95.12.195-77.rev.gaoland.net: .fasinfo kwizart
28-06-2010 14:43:03 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: .fasinfo eseyman
28-06-2010 14:43:13 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: (à part le fait qu'au moins deux des membres du CA ne sont plus à jour de leur cotisation ? :P )
28-06-2010 14:43:41 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: alors on passe à la suite
28-06-2010 14:43:47 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: #topic Muffin
28-06-2010 14:43:51 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: !
28-06-2010 14:44:02 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: j'ai vu dans les logs de la dernière fois que ça devrait être prêt sous peu, tant mieux :)
28-06-2010 14:44:05 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: > llaumgui
28-06-2010 14:44:18 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: Je sais, j'ai recu le mail de rapel, je le fait aujourd'hui (mon marriage m'a pris pas mal de temps ;-))
28-06-2010 14:44:20 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: EOF
28-06-2010 14:44:30 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: llaumgui, ça fait 3 alors :o]
28-06-2010 14:44:43 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: autre chose sur Muffin ?
28-06-2010 14:45:25 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: c'est toujours pour le 1er juillet?
28-06-2010 14:45:44 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: c'est pas ce qui s'est dit la semaine dernière ? (j'étais pas là, j'ai lu les logs après coup)
28-06-2010 14:45:46 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: twitt + blog + fedora-fr pour l'annoncer
28-06-2010 14:45:48 < Pikachu_2014!~Pikachu_2@85-169-119-74.rev.numericable.fr: A priori oui
28-06-2010 14:45:56 < Pikachu_2014!~Pikachu_2@85-169-119-74.rev.numericable.fr: Ne reste que quelques bidouillages esthétiques
28-06-2010 14:45:59 < Pikachu_2014!~Pikachu_2@85-169-119-74.rev.numericable.fr: +nt
28-06-2010 14:46:11 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: \o/
28-06-2010 14:46:16 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: !
28-06-2010 14:46:21 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: > bobydrack
28-06-2010 14:46:51 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: oui je voulais parlais d'une chose ..mais ce n'est pas en rapport avec Muffin..
28-06-2010 14:47:03 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: j'attends le tour de parole libre ?
28-06-2010 14:47:03 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: bobydrack, alors attends la suite ;)
28-06-2010 14:47:08 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: ça marche
28-06-2010 14:47:13 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: ou le topic qui s'y rapportera
28-06-2010 14:47:28 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: (normalement y a un bot qui fait un truc quand je dis #topic, mais il a planté suite ua netsplit)
28-06-2010 14:47:54 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: (boulette)
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28-06-2010 14:48:05 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: #topic Boutique
28-06-2010 14:48:10 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: !
28-06-2010 14:48:14 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: > llaumgui
28-06-2010 14:48:19 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: (t'es chaud ce soir llaumgui :D )
28-06-2010 14:48:27 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: C'est un peut perso, mais je viens d'acheter un 13"...
28-06-2010 14:48:39 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: il y a des house 12" et 15" sur la boutique mais pas 13"
28-06-2010 14:48:40 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: EOF
28-06-2010 14:48:56 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: Je suis chaud car ca fait longtemps que je ne suis pas veni (tjrs causse mariage :))
28-06-2010 14:49:02 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: on a ce que propose spreadshirt ;)
28-06-2010 14:49:16 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: llaumgui, il y a eu un post sur le sujet des housses, tu as vu si ca faisait ?
28-06-2010 14:49:26 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: le faisait...
28-06-2010 14:49:30 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: je vais looker
28-06-2010 14:49:33 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: des 13.3", y en a pas beaucoup non plus
28-06-2010 14:49:39 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: (des pc je parle)
28-06-2010 14:49:48 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: donc c'est pas déconnant qu'ils fassent pas (encore ?) de housses
28-06-2010 14:50:31 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: quelqu'un sur la boutique ?
28-06-2010 14:50:47 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: llaumgui, ce qui se dit c'est qu'un xps 13" ne rentre pas... alors prend une 15 et change la batterie :p
28-06-2010 14:51:04 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: :)
28-06-2010 14:51:20 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: #topic Fedora-Fr.org
28-06-2010 14:51:23 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: llaumgui,
28-06-2010 14:51:32 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: (j'attends même plus que tu demandes la parole :P)
28-06-2010 14:51:37 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: :)
28-06-2010 14:51:38 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: oui
28-06-2010 14:51:54 -!- rbergero1 is now known as rbergeron
28-06-2010 14:51:58 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: alors, pas trop le temps de dev, mais la plateforme de blog devrait passer en DotClear 2.2
28-06-2010 14:52:12 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: et j'ai recu un demande de renseignement suite à modération
28-06-2010 14:52:23 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: j'ai mis la liste @team en copie...
28-06-2010 14:53:00 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: merci à ceux qui modèrent de le mettre sur team (ça a été fait) et lorsque je recoit un message que je transfere d'y répondre
28-06-2010 14:53:30 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: apparmeent Pikachu_2014 a dit que c'était lui, mais comme le gars est modéré pour 1 mois et que Pikachu_2014 à mis à vis, je pense que c'est pas le bon gars dont on parle
28-06-2010 14:53:44 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: enfin bref, faut communiquer car apres c moi qui me prend les insultes ;-)
28-06-2010 14:53:46 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: EOF
28-06-2010 14:53:56 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: normal, stoi l'chef
28-06-2010 14:54:01 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: :)
28-06-2010 14:54:04 < Pikachu_2014!~Pikachu_2@85-169-119-74.rev.numericable.fr: C'est justement un truc qui m'a échappé, je l'avais banni à vie, mais j'avais constaté que le ban est resté à un mois
28-06-2010 14:54:12 < Pikachu_2014!~Pikachu_2@85-169-119-74.rev.numericable.fr: J'ai remis le ban à vie en conséquence
28-06-2010 14:54:22 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: OK, donc c bien toi
28-06-2010 14:54:25 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: et c'est bien lui
28-06-2010 14:54:31 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: tu peux lui répondre alors ?
28-06-2010 14:54:39 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: on arrive à bannir des gens à vie ? oO
28-06-2010 14:54:42 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: en restant sans affect et que dans les fait
28-06-2010 14:54:42 < Pikachu_2014!~Pikachu_2@85-169-119-74.rev.numericable.fr: Pour ce qui est de la réponse, je n'ai pas de temps à perdre avec les hypocrites et les menteurs... Il sait pourquoi il est banni, l'affaire est entendue
28-06-2010 14:54:59 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: moi qui pensait que le libre attirait les gens bien...
28-06-2010 14:55:00 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: bochecha > tu coche une case
28-06-2010 14:55:14 < * bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha doit s'absenter un moment, quelqu'un peut reprendre ?
28-06-2010 14:55:16 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: Pikachu_2014 > OK
28-06-2010 14:55:43 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: (pensez à faire les commandes meetbot, je lui ferait replayer les logs pour générer le cr)
28-06-2010 14:56:12 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ok bochecha , on va dire que je prends la suite
28-06-2010 14:57:18 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: c'est bon pour vous, plus rien à dire sur Fedora-fr ?
28-06-2010 14:57:42 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: eof pour moi
28-06-2010 14:58:00 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: je crois bien .. la traduction ça rentre dans sujet ?
28-06-2010 14:58:21 < Pikachu_2014!~Pikachu_2@85-169-119-74.rev.numericable.fr: Projet Fedora...
28-06-2010 14:58:25 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: plutot dans le projet fedora je pense, mais si c'est pour contrib, on en reparle à la fin :)
28-06-2010 14:58:32 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ok alors on passe
28-06-2010 14:58:34 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: #topic Projet Fedora
28-06-2010 14:58:54 -!- XulWork is now known as XulLunch
28-06-2010 14:59:20 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: mince, j'ai oublié de parler du bistro dans le forum, si vous avez des news, un undo ;)
28-06-2010 14:59:37 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: on en parle encore du bistro ?
28-06-2010 14:59:53 < Pikachu_2014!~Pikachu_2@85-169-119-74.rev.numericable.fr: L'affaire est entendue aussi ^^
28-06-2010 14:59:57 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: je croyais qu'il était enterré
28-06-2010 15:00:10 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ah, j'ai pas vu la news, ok dsl :p
28-06-2010 15:00:21 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ras pour le projet fedora ?
28-06-2010 15:00:57 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: j'ai soumis la traduction de la partie spin du site internet, j'attends une relecture. On aura bientot plein de nouvelles pages en francais :D
28-06-2010 15:01:12 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: pourquoi pas
28-06-2010 15:02:12 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: bobydrack, je l'ai soumise à la liste de diffusion des traducteurs fr ;-).
28-06-2010 15:02:21 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ok, rien d'autre, on passe
28-06-2010 15:02:33 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: #topic RMLL 2010
28-06-2010 15:02:42 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: !
28-06-2010 15:02:48 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: > bobydrack
28-06-2010 15:02:49 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: !
28-06-2010 15:03:02 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: je suis dégouté de pas pouvoir aller y jeter un oeil
28-06-2010 15:03:08 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: (ça c'est dit)
28-06-2010 15:03:26 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: hum, ok, rien d'autre ?
28-06-2010 15:03:29 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: eof
28-06-2010 15:03:34 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: > eseyman
28-06-2010 15:03:57 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: mes congés ont été validées donc j'y serais toute la semaine
28-06-2010 15:04:18 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: génial :) (ils ne se pressent pas à ton boulot..)
28-06-2010 15:04:20 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: on a une page wiki pour organiser la présence sur le stand ? eof
28-06-2010 15:04:27 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: oui,
28-06-2010 15:05:19 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Rencontres_Mondiales_du_Logiciel_Libre_2010
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28-06-2010 15:06:02 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: eseyman, n'hésite pas à éditer
28-06-2010 15:06:11 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: ok
28-06-2010 15:06:38 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: je vais essayer d'imprimer quelques docs du marketing, en couleur. Je les passerai au PSL
28-06-2010 15:06:42 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: à bertux
28-06-2010 15:06:47 < * bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha is back
28-06-2010 15:07:06 -!- mjg59` is now known as mjg59
28-06-2010 15:07:57 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: rien à rajouter pour les RMLL ?
28-06-2010 15:08:22 < * llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net viens de faie le chèque pour la cotisation Fedora-Fr, je suis à jour !
28-06-2010 15:08:29 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: si bertux pense à me dire ce dont il a besoin, il aura des goodies
28-06-2010 15:09:00 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: #action bertux doit penser à faire sa demande de goodies, avant les PSL (3 juillet)
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28-06-2010 15:10:06 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: #info llaumgui est à jour dans sa cotise (une fois le cheque envoyé :p) à qui le tour ? :p
28-06-2010 15:10:14 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: héhé
28-06-2010 15:10:14 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: #topic PSL
28-06-2010 15:10:14 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: ;-)
28-06-2010 15:10:20 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: prochain le 3 juillet !
28-06-2010 15:10:34 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: hum c'est quoi PSL ?
28-06-2010 15:10:43 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: premiers samedis du libre
28-06-2010 15:10:53 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: une permanence de libristes
28-06-2010 15:11:00 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: c'est un événement récurrent à la Cité des sciences
28-06-2010 15:11:13 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: je n'y serais pas cause Japan Expo
28-06-2010 15:11:14 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: le premier samedi de chaque mois, on se retrouve sous l'ombrelle de Parinux,
28-06-2010 15:11:17 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: oui oui effectivement ..c'est bon ;)
28-06-2010 15:11:20 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva et Debian sont là
28-06-2010 15:11:37 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: bobydrack, ce qui est cool c'est que ca regroupe plusieurs assoces du libre
28-06-2010 15:12:08 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: Par chez moi on a un truc qui s'appel les jeudis du libre
28-06-2010 15:12:28 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: et aussi un événement tous les 1er (ou dernier) vendredi du moi
28-06-2010 15:12:56 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: pour info, on aura peut-être un amba Togolais au prochain PSL
28-06-2010 15:12:59 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: +s
28-06-2010 15:13:02 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: bobydrack, tu y participe ? pas de fedora par là bas ?
28-06-2010 15:13:08 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: pas eu de confirmation, mais il est sur Paris en ce moment ?
28-06-2010 15:13:15 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: shaiton, non justement je voulais en parlais
28-06-2010 15:13:24 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ouais, alors tous au PSL qu'on lui montre un event (+soirée) réussi :p
28-06-2010 15:13:32 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: s/parlais/parler
28-06-2010 15:13:43 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: shaiton, discuss libre ;)
28-06-2010 15:14:16 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ouaip
28-06-2010 15:14:48 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: heu, sinon pour les prochains events, ya moyen de recreer une spin avec les mises à jours ?
28-06-2010 15:14:55 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr:  rapidement
28-06-2010 15:15:08 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: tu peux, avec pungi
28-06-2010 15:15:11 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: genre pour LXDE... c'est nickel pour ceux qui viennent avec un netbook
28-06-2010 15:15:19 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: mais c'est rarement une bonne idée
28-06-2010 15:15:23 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: pungi c'est quoi ?
28-06-2010 15:15:39 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: l'avantage de la GA, c'est qu'elle a été testée, c'est un point fixe, tu sais qu'elle marche
28-06-2010 15:15:54 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: ton respin avec les mises à jour, t'auras pas le temps / les ressources d'en faire une QA correcte
28-06-2010 15:15:56 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: bobydrack: un créateur d'iso Fedora
28-06-2010 15:16:13 < eseyman!~manu@29.39.82-79.rev.gaoland.net: cf la discussion sur devel en ce moment
28-06-2010 15:16:17 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: ok ..
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28-06-2010 15:17:11 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ouais ok... j'oublis alors, vive le miroir local
28-06-2010 15:17:29 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ok, plus rien pour le PSL alors
28-06-2010 15:17:35 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: nope
28-06-2010 15:17:43 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: #topic Discussion libre
28-06-2010 15:17:53 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: !
28-06-2010 15:18:01 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: oui ?.
28-06-2010 15:18:08 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: alors voilà
28-06-2010 15:18:57 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: dans ma petite bourgade, une association a pour sujet de promouvoir le libre..ce qui est bien
28-06-2010 15:19:13 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: (problème de conjugaison avec promouvoir ..euh hum)
28-06-2010 15:19:51 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: bref, j'ai remarqué en allant une fois ou deux que la plupart sont "sponsorisé" par Ubuntu
28-06-2010 15:20:14 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: s/sponsorisé par/utilisent/ ;)
28-06-2010 15:20:29 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: rien de grave, juste que j'ai reçu un petit lot bien cool avec plein de CD de logiciel
28-06-2010 15:20:33 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: (ils ont pas de financement de la part de Canonical/Ubuntu, contrairement à nous)
28-06-2010 15:20:38 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: dont le cd d'install d'ubuntu
28-06-2010 15:20:39 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: c'est des réunions fréquentes, il y a donc du monde (disont plus que quelques personnes) régulier qui passe ?
28-06-2010 15:21:13 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: shaiton > la dernière fois ils étaient ..10 ..ce que je trouve peu
28-06-2010 15:21:19 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: en comptant les membres de l'asso
28-06-2010 15:21:33 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: bobydrack, le PSL a commencé comme ça
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28-06-2010 15:21:49 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: on a une 50aine de visiteurs à chaque fois maintenant (sans compter les orgas)
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28-06-2010 15:22:03 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: mais je pense qu'un contributeur de Fedora project connait ça ..c'est "Montpel'libre"
28-06-2010 15:22:24 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: http://montpel-libre.fr/
28-06-2010 15:22:54 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: ils sont d'ailleurs au RMLL apparemment
28-06-2010 15:22:58 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: llaumgui, .
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28-06-2010 15:23:50 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: oui je connais mtp
28-06-2010 15:23:56 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: a mtp c la guerre des GUL
28-06-2010 15:23:57 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: :)
28-06-2010 15:24:03 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: GUL ?
28-06-2010 15:24:12 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: Group utilisateur Linux
28-06-2010 15:24:27 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: ouais, ben z'êtes des ambas, comportez-vous en professionnels...
28-06-2010 15:24:36 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: ... et participez au deux en bouffant à tous les rateliers :P
28-06-2010 15:24:42 < llaumgui!~llaumgui@pig34-1-78-245-214-192.fbx.proxad.net: ;-)
28-06-2010 15:25:21 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: sinon pour finir, je voulais savoir l'implication de traducteur
28-06-2010 15:25:43 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: alors déjà, pour ton truc
28-06-2010 15:25:53 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: si faut des goodies / CDs, on en parle après la réunion ;)
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28-06-2010 15:26:05 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: ok ..mais j'en doute
28-06-2010 15:26:08 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: pour la trad, Bouska et MrTom étant pas là, shaiton va te renseigner
28-06-2010 15:26:26 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ouais, juste, c'est bon bobydrack tu as le contact d'un ambassadeur dans le coin ?
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28-06-2010 15:26:42 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: ben non
28-06-2010 15:26:46 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: shaiton, il va le devenir ;)
28-06-2010 15:27:01 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: héhé ok bochecha, je te laisse la suite alors :p
28-06-2010 15:27:05 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: c'est bon on clos ?
28-06-2010 15:27:11 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: bobydrack, je te parle trad apres
28-06-2010 15:27:22 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: qu'on libère le chan :p
28-06-2010 15:27:36 < bobydrack!~wazaa@78.250.159.238: oki
28-06-2010 15:28:11 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: ok
28-06-2010 15:28:14 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: #endmeeting
28-06-2010 15:28:37 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: merci à vous, et à bochecha pour les rappels, le début, et la gestion du bot :p
28-06-2010 15:28:51 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: shaiton: if you like, we can still get those logs on the meetbot.fp.o server
28-06-2010 15:29:03 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: shaiton: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot_Infrastructure_SOP#Processing_interrupted_meeting_logs
28-06-2010 15:29:08 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: ianweller, I was planning on replaying the logs with a local meetbot
28-06-2010 15:29:13 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: can you upload them afterwards ?
28-06-2010 15:29:17 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: yup
28-06-2010 15:29:19 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: oh, there's a SOP :)
28-06-2010 15:29:22 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: sorry wrong link
28-06-2010 15:29:27 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#zodbot_blew_up_while_it_was_logging_my_meeting.2C_what_can_I_do.3F
28-06-2010 15:29:40 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: just file a ticket, assign it to ianweller, and i'll get 'em uploaded
28-06-2010 15:30:25 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: great, thanks :)
28-06-2010 15:30:26 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: thanks ianweller. I hope that you didn't wait for our #endmeeting so long
28-06-2010 15:30:41 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: shaiton: nope, just noticed it
28-06-2010 15:30:47 < shaiton!~shaiton@cac94-2-87-91-21-247.dsl.club-internet.fr: nice :)
28-06-2010 15:31:14 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: ianweller, do you want me to send the raw logs? or should I generate the minutes as well?
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28-06-2010 15:31:41 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: bochecha: go ahead and just upload the logs
28-06-2010 15:31:47 < bochecha!~bochecha@fedora/bochecha: ok
28-06-2010 15:31:48 < ianweller!~ianweller@fedora/ianweller: i can take care of replayin git
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28-06-2010 16:01:04 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: poelcat: have you run the features-ready-for-fesco today?
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28-06-2010 16:04:42 < poelcat!~slick@fedora/poelcat: nirik: yes
28-06-2010 16:04:51 < poelcat!~slick@fedora/poelcat: nirik: btw xfce needs some love
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28-06-2010 16:05:01 < poelcat!~slick@fedora/poelcat: before I can move it forward
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28-06-2010 16:05:19 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: poelcat: yeah, not sure what to do there... upstream has now said: "we have no 4.8 release date/schedule, we will just keep working on it and it will be ready when it is"
28-06-2010 16:05:38 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: so, I guess we punt it and see if something more concrete happens for next cycle.
28-06-2010 16:06:31 < poelcat!~slick@fedora/poelcat: nirik: okay, i can move it to FeaturePageIncomplete if you like
28-06-2010 16:07:17 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yeah, probibly best. I am really doubting anything will show up in time, but I have been wrong before. ;)
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28-06-2010 17:06:05 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #startmeeting
28-06-2010 17:06:05 < zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot: Meeting started Mon Jun 28 21:00:23 2010 UTC.  The chair is brunowolff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
28-06-2010 17:06:05 < zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot: Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
28-06-2010 17:06:21 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #meetingname spins-sig
28-06-2010 17:06:21 < zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot: The meeting name has been set to 'spins-sig'
28-06-2010 17:06:30 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #topic Is anyone else here?
28-06-2010 17:06:30 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: Is anyone else here?
28-06-2010 17:06:45 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: nirik, anybody else here for the spins meeting?
28-06-2010 17:07:06 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yep. I am
28-06-2010 17:07:12 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: do we have an agenda?
28-06-2010 17:07:47 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: A bigger one than we can handle, but we can choose topics off of it that we can do with whoever is here.
28-06-2010 17:08:01 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: whats the page you had?
28-06-2010 17:08:09 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_SIG_Meetings
28-06-2010 17:08:25 < * nirik!~nirik@scrye.com looks to see what things we should really cover today. 
28-06-2010 17:08:58 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #topic livecd booting and installing in rawhide
28-06-2010 17:08:58 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: livecd booting and installing in rawhide
28-06-2010 17:09:21 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: I haven't tested this, but several people have reported problems.
28-06-2010 17:09:26 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I grabbed a copy of the games spin from the 25th, but didn't get a chance to test it yet.
28-06-2010 17:09:47 < * stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster is lurky
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28-06-2010 17:10:07 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I was hoping to do it yesterday, but got distracted.
28-06-2010 17:10:33 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I can probably get it copied to a USB drive and test the boot tonight.
28-06-2010 17:10:46 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yeah, I can try and make the effort to do that.
28-06-2010 17:10:58 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: I don't know if bugs have been filed... let me look real quick before we move on.
28-06-2010 17:11:22 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Install is trickier, as the machines that are mine are old and don't like booting from usb devices. The new machines are my wife's and
28-06-2010 17:11:29 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I don't get to break those.
28-06-2010 17:11:30 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: there's a fair number of livecd-tools bugs. ;(
28-06-2010 17:11:38 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: I can test in virt env
28-06-2010 17:12:32 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: anyhow, will try and test, lets move on.
28-06-2010 17:12:43 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: unless someone else already has and can point us to a bug. ;)
28-06-2010 17:12:58 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I can try a DVD, but my dvd burning and/or old media don't seem to burn very reliably and I wouldn't be sure problems weren't do
28-06-2010 17:13:01 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: to bad burns.
28-06-2010 17:13:34 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #action nirik and bruno will do some boot / install tests of nightly livecds
28-06-2010 17:13:44 < * nirik!~nirik@scrye.com fires off a download. 
28-06-2010 17:13:59 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #topic spins wrangler?
28-06-2010 17:13:59 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: spins wrangler?
28-06-2010 17:14:42 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: none of the spin owners replied about doing it.
28-06-2010 17:14:46 < stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster: This seems like one of the most important topics on a strategic level
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28-06-2010 17:15:11 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I think Peter Robinson wanted to get more involved in spins, but I wasn't sure that was as a wrangler.
28-06-2010 17:15:16 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yeah, I said I can do it if need be, I guess it comes down to that, unless we want to mail devel-announce asking or something.
28-06-2010 17:15:27 < * stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster is worried that nirik wears a lot of hats already
28-06-2010 17:15:32 < * nirik!~nirik@scrye.com is too. ;) 
28-06-2010 17:15:37 < stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster: "Doing more" isn't really the best option
28-06-2010 17:16:00 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We may just need to assign us to do them. Someof the spins are just package lists which aren't to hard to check on that level.
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28-06-2010 17:16:43 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Some of the trickier ones, I might have trouble with.
28-06-2010 17:16:49 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: the problem with dividing that out is then we are never sure who's resposible for what and it's confusing.
28-06-2010 17:16:52 < stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster: AIUI there ought to be one person that rel-eng can rely on to keep the active list of spins populated and ensure that the Spins SIG's self-setup process is followed for new spins
28-06-2010 17:17:14 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I think assignments would be in a spins meeting.
28-06-2010 17:17:17 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: right.
28-06-2010 17:17:40 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: So we would know who is responsible for reviewing each spin for that release.
28-06-2010 17:18:18 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: well, reviewing new ones we could farm out, but spins wrangler does more than that...
28-06-2010 17:18:44 < * sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas looks. dammit, I always miss these meetings. sorry folks.
28-06-2010 17:18:49 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Is there a comprehensive write up of what they need to do?
28-06-2010 17:19:25 < stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster: There is not, from what I can tell brunowolff
28-06-2010 17:19:37 < stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster: Although some duties are set out in the Spins process page
28-06-2010 17:19:39 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: not sure... but at least: process new spins wiki pages, talk to rel-eng about what spins are valid for a release, talk to board about trademark, etc.
28-06-2010 17:19:39 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: That in itself is a problem.
28-06-2010 17:19:44 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yeah.
28-06-2010 17:19:46 < stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process
28-06-2010 17:19:52 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: welcome sdziallas
28-06-2010 17:20:03 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: hey nirik!
28-06-2010 17:20:31 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: so, we could make such a page, but what do we do right now?
28-06-2010 17:20:38 < stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster: So it seems to me that you're not going to get anyone to raise a hand for Spins wrangler until they know what they're in for :-)
28-06-2010 17:20:51 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: right.
28-06-2010 17:20:56 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: right
28-06-2010 17:21:09 < stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster: Easy fix is to look at your own pages -- there are only a handful -- and see where, other than the process page, the wrangler has duties
28-06-2010 17:21:24 < stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster: If none, then it's pretty cut and dried.
28-06-2010 17:22:33 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yeah, not sure...
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28-06-2010 17:22:46 < * stickster!~pfrields@fedora/stickster finds that a single point person makes it easier to take responsibility. If "everyone shares the responsibility" it's a high potential for confusion.
28-06-2010 17:22:47 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I'll volunteer to do a draft for next week, covering what nirik said and what I can find in our pages.
28-06-2010 17:23:01 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: There really should be a central page for describing that position.
28-06-2010 17:23:21 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: brunowolff: if you can make such a page, I can then mail devel-announce or the like asking for someone to fill the role.
28-06-2010 17:23:22 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I also note that some reviews can be farmed out to other spins members.
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28-06-2010 17:24:30 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: I wonder if having a trac instance would help...
28-06-2010 17:24:30 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We'll want to review it first, but I'll let the list know when there is a draft ready, so we don't have to wait for the next
28-06-2010 17:24:37 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: meeting to start review.
28-06-2010 17:25:05 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yep
28-06-2010 17:25:38 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #action bruno will write a draft spins wrangler page documenting duties of the position.
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28-06-2010 17:25:57 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #topic trac instance?
28-06-2010 17:25:57 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: trac instance?
28-06-2010 17:26:26 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I think getting a trac instance is a good idea. But I am not sure about the timing.
28-06-2010 17:26:43 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I don't want to create more work when we seem to be short handed.
28-06-2010 17:26:55 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: well, we can do one whenever, but it would be good to have more people before then.
28-06-2010 17:27:11 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Maybe just getting it created, and moving stuff over to it as seems warrented?
28-06-2010 17:27:54 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: it works somewhat ok for fesco to keep track of meeting items, etc.
28-06-2010 17:27:58 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Would we piggyback on spin-kickstarts?
28-06-2010 17:27:59 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: sometimes things linger.
28-06-2010 17:28:07 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yeah, we could
28-06-2010 17:28:30 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: trac instances are best for when things linger. If everything got done right away you wouldn't need them for tracking.
28-06-2010 17:28:58 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We don't get a lot of external requests, so the other use of trac wouldn't be of that much use to us.
28-06-2010 17:29:37 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: The name doesn't match the sig, but since that's what we really produce, I think using that for the trac instance has some sense to it.
28-06-2010 17:30:47 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: If you guys think using the spin-kickstarts trac at fedora hosted will work, I check what's there and file an infrastructure ticket if need be?
28-06-2010 17:31:06 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: sure, can't hurt to have it ready if we decide to use it.
28-06-2010 17:31:51 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #action brunowolff will make sure spin-kickstarts has a track instance for use for the spins sig
28-06-2010 17:32:02 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #topic F14 schedule
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28-06-2010 17:32:19 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I haven't gotten around to looking at this closely.
28-06-2010 17:32:19 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: so, I had proposed dates.
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28-06-2010 17:32:29 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: no one else suggested any. ;)
28-06-2010 17:33:12 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: maybe at this point we just try to follow the suggested dates and make corrections for the next go around if there are tight spots.
28-06-2010 17:33:48 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We would need to document problems so that we can ask John to change things for F15.
28-06-2010 17:34:23 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yeah.
28-06-2010 17:34:29 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: sdziallas: any input on the dates?
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28-06-2010 17:35:14 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: I could paste them to channel, or fpaste them I guess.
28-06-2010 17:35:27 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: nirik: these are the ones from your email, right?
28-06-2010 17:35:35 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yep
28-06-2010 17:35:44 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: nirik: I don't think I've actually found any reason to disagree with them, but let me look again :)
28-06-2010 17:35:53 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: MIA Spins thread
28-06-2010 17:36:24 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: We're pretty close to the submission deadline, right?
28-06-2010 17:36:45 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I linked to one message there from the meeting page, but not the one with specific dates.
28-06-2010 17:36:54 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: (not implying anything negative there, just asking to make sure I got the right ones)
28-06-2010 17:37:30 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: 2010-07-06 - Deadline for submission of spins.
28-06-2010 17:37:35 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I haven't been hearing proposals for new spins this cycle, it seems we will probably just be reviewing existing spins.
28-06-2010 17:37:56 < * sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas nods.
28-06-2010 17:38:01 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: there was some people talking about a music spin, but no idea if it's gone anywhere.
28-06-2010 17:38:10 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: oh, I also had:
28-06-2010 17:38:12 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: 2010-06-21 - All spins from previous cycle have updated wiki pages.
28-06-2010 17:38:22 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: which I haven't done for Xfce at least. ;(
28-06-2010 17:38:27 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: Heh, that... looks like at least my spins didn't make it, yet.
28-06-2010 17:38:45 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: Yeah. I'm hoping to hand the Design Suite off, but that's the only change spin-wise on my end.
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28-06-2010 17:39:22 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: I'm also kinda unclear what we require for existing spins per cycle.
28-06-2010 17:39:29 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I need to update games. I don't think I did the historical page yet pointing to the branched kickstart repo instead of master.
28-06-2010 17:39:58 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: update wiki page with any changes, but do we require a positive ack: "I am going to be doing this spin again"
28-06-2010 17:40:02 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We are supposed to make a frozen page that will be linked from the current page.
28-06-2010 17:40:05 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: I kinda think we should.
28-06-2010 17:40:23 < * sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas nods.
28-06-2010 17:40:24 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: That way people are supposed to be able to see the old version of the page and of the kickstart file.
28-06-2010 17:40:41 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: brunowolff: could you document on the spins process page exactly how to do that?
28-06-2010 17:40:47 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: And I think we need to set back to spin in development.
28-06-2010 17:40:50 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: it confuses me each cycle and I have to figure it out again.
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28-06-2010 17:41:57 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: how about I mail the spins sig list and just ask: what f13 spins intend to keep going for f14? (I suspect I will get no answers, but at least that will tell us something)
28-06-2010 17:42:04 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #action bruno will review spin process for recurring spins to make sure enough details are there for people updating wiki pages.
28-06-2010 17:42:17 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: That was going to be my next thing.
28-06-2010 17:42:18 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: nirik: well if there are no answers, we might just compose none :)
28-06-2010 17:42:39 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: nirik: (and I realize that I've been pretty bad at email replies, too.)
28-06-2010 17:42:39 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We want positive confirmation for continiuing spins.
28-06-2010 17:42:40 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: sdziallas: indeed. Less work for us, we can just shut down. ;)
28-06-2010 17:42:49 < * sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas grins. heh, yeah.
28-06-2010 17:42:50 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: brunowolff: +1
28-06-2010 17:42:51 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: I intend to continue the Xfce spin.
28-06-2010 17:43:03 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Games will be there.
28-06-2010 17:43:27 < sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas: SoaS too.
28-06-2010 17:43:36 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: anyhow, lets ask on list and see what response we get?
28-06-2010 17:43:47 < * sdziallas!~sdz@fedora/sdziallas nods.
28-06-2010 17:44:05 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: OK, that's a start, but we need to record the answers so the info doesn't get lost.
28-06-2010 17:44:44 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We'll need to later compare the responses to the spin pages to try harder to reach people who haven't responded.
28-06-2010 17:45:08 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yeah, the mailing list keeps an archive, but yeah.
28-06-2010 17:45:48 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: The message should ask for people to respond whether or not they plan to continue the spin.
28-06-2010 17:46:12 < * nirik!~nirik@scrye.com has a draft up now, can send in a minute. 
28-06-2010 17:46:17 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We also might have spin maintainers that aren't on the list, even though they are supposed to be.
28-06-2010 17:46:49 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: Do we have a list of all the f13 ones?
28-06-2010 17:47:03 < * nirik!~nirik@scrye.com can confirm that the xfce nightly does not boot in a vm here. 
28-06-2010 17:47:03 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #action nirik Will send a message to spin owners to see if they are continuing their spins.
28-06-2010 17:47:21 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: got it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Spins_Fedora_13
28-06-2010 17:47:51 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Do you know why?
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28-06-2010 17:48:31 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I tested using a spin with the new squashfs and spins-kickstart stuff with a mostly F13 system and it worked.
28-06-2010 17:48:41 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: no, no idea. will need to dig more. It's saying 'no root found'
28-06-2010 17:48:51 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: So I am thinking it isn't the stuff I changed, but I don't know for sure.
28-06-2010 17:49:24 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: That might be dracut related.
28-06-2010 17:49:29 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: yes, it could be.
28-06-2010 17:49:34 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: its in that area.
28-06-2010 17:50:22 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I do have an F14 system that is booting and had a kernel update within the last week.
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28-06-2010 17:51:20 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We can look at this over the next week and report back.
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28-06-2010 17:52:20 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #topic alpha and beta
28-06-2010 17:52:20 -!- zodbot!~supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot changed topic of #fedora-meeting to: alpha and beta
28-06-2010 17:52:42 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Are we going to do anything special for the alpha and beta or just point people to the nightly spins?
28-06-2010 17:53:22 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: well, I think the nightlies are mostly ok.
28-06-2010 17:53:25 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I think the nightlies are good enough and in some ways better.
28-06-2010 17:53:29 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: the only problem being that they are moving targets.
28-06-2010 17:54:45 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I think the issue was it worth the QA and releng work to do those in addition.
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28-06-2010 17:55:42 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: I don't think it is personally.
28-06-2010 17:56:39 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We didn't seem to get complaints when we did that for F12 (though the decision was ad hoc), at least that I heard about.
28-06-2010 17:57:29 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Unless I hear dissent soon I'll have that as an agreed item.
28-06-2010 17:57:56 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: ok
28-06-2010 17:58:25 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #agreed There will not be special spin images for the alpha and beta for F14.
28-06-2010 17:58:47 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #action brunowolff will email releng to let them know we are doing that again.
28-06-2010 17:59:04 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: sounds good.
28-06-2010 17:59:39 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Times about up and I think we covered the most important stuff. Anything else that someone wants covered today?
28-06-2010 17:59:54 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: let me check the wiki page again...
28-06-2010 17:59:59 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #action brunowolff will update the agenda page to reflect today's meeting.
28-06-2010 18:00:47 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #action brunowolff will email out the meeting notes to spins
28-06-2010 18:01:13 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: FYI, the spin1 machine has had some lockups/crashes, so sometimes spins have been not composing.
28-06-2010 18:01:32 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: It's been stable for the last few days on the most recent f13 kernel, so hopefully we are ok moving forward.
28-06-2010 18:01:47 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Thanks. I was wondering what happened.
28-06-2010 18:02:33 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I'll call this one in 30 if there isn't anything else?
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28-06-2010 18:02:51 < * nirik!~nirik@scrye.com has nothing
28-06-2010 18:02:54 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Thanks for attending today!
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28-06-2010 18:03:11 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: #endmeeting
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28-06-2010 18:03:32 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: brunowolff: can you post the meeting log to the list?
28-06-2010 18:03:51 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: Yes, I even made an action item for it.
28-06-2010 18:03:56 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: cool. ;)
28-06-2010 18:03:59 < nirik!~nirik@scrye.com: thanks!
28-06-2010 18:04:19 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: I need to head home now, so it will be in a couple of hours.
28-06-2010 18:05:23 < brunowolff!~bruno@cerberus.csd.uwm.edu: We'll see you guys next week.
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